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"an añsiklopedi digor" a so bed diskuted hag aprouved ur bloaz so
ouzhpenn an dra-se, eo "peurunvan" ar lavaradenn-se !

Pennig-Maout 23:45, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

The mainpage says "kelc'hgeriadur". "An añsiklopedi digor" was discussed between only two users. It seems that the current majority favours "kelc'hgeriadur". --Node ue

Kelc'hgeriadur isn't good. bon n'ouzon ked sôsnega med ar péz so sur é n'é ked mad ar gér "kelc'hgeriadur", vil an heni é. Añsiklopedî pe Añsiklopedïenn a vefe kals gwelloh. Plij a rafe din jeñch méd n'ouzon ked pe-neuz ober. Lip-Chopin 14:25, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

It's quite obvious that people like to argue against Peurunvan and "neo-Breton", however the fact is that it is used by the majority. --Node ue 08:09, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

A Google search turns up 3 results for "kelc'hgeriadurioù", but none for "añsiklopedïoù". --Node ue 08:14, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Please, it would be nice to have a good looking logo for our language. I personally favour "Ar c'helc'hgeriadur digor" and I really think the majority of people using the standard and writing in Breton favours it too. Kelc'hgeriadur is the breton word for En Encyclopedia. Unfortunately, our wiki is polluted since the begining by a few people who use the freedom of wiki to impose their views over the majority of speakers who do use the standard. As a matter of fact, quite a lot of people are disgusted because of the bad atmosphere in the Breton wiki and so don't want to be part of endless discussions wich are not going anywhere. People are seek of this stuff. As a result of that linguistic harassment we have been obliged to split our main Page in two parts which is a mess. This is no sense. We don't have any administrator and there are not enough people committed to the wiki to organize significative votes for the time beeing. Fulup 14:35, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Biskoaz kemend-all!!! Var pe-sort wiki emomp ?! Heni an Anglichen pe heni ar Vretoned. Me n'ouzon ked sôsnega ha 'm-eus ked hoant diski! Evid a-fed ar logo eh hadlakin anahoñ vel ma oa da genta da virvikén (N'on ked nèhet tamm e-béd, kustumed oun da stourm a-eneb ginoweien hag a gred dehe ober o mussolini var ar wiki... fachisted, fachisted so ba pep bro Añfî bon a-mô-se 'ma hag e vo ken na jeñcho Lip-Chopin 13:24, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

A fascist would demand that all articles be changed to one orthography. I don't care. What matters is that the main page and logo are in Peurunvan. You are free to write as you want, as long as you're not using the main page and the logo to force a non-standard minority spelling on the rest of the people. --Node ue 16:26, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

And, no matter how much you yell and complain about me using English for discussion (people have used English and French here before... why am I not allowed?? as long as it isn't on the content pages), or yelling about an Englishman on the Breton Wikipedia, or argue as if I am the only person in the world who thinks the logo needs to say "ar c'helc'hgeriadur digor"... you will still be crazy, and the majority of Bretons will still prefer Peurunvan. --Node ue 15:15, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

God damit ! Fuck, I'm crazy ? you don't know a single word in breton and you want to teach me breton language ?

"the majority of Bretons will still prefer Peurunvan" Oh not! a minority the Breton-speaking ones know the peurunvan (surroundings 10 000). Much for these 50 last years has learned with the skolveurieg, moreover the production of book in skolveurieg is rather consequent. And finally that does not disturb anybody that it have a double page of presentation there. It y nevertheless Robinhood, Guénael, Chañ Maï, CTanguy, Pennig-maout and me which use this writing. Compared with the number of user on wikipedia, I find that important Lip-Chopin 16:24, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Please see Talk:Main Page, it disturbs many people there. It also disturbs Fulup, as he said here. It also appears that there is much more results for Peurunvan form on the internet, compared to skolveuriek, in a search engine. Peurunvan is used in Diwan schools since late 1980s; over 10 000 Breton speakers die each year now (some will say 20 000 or even higher), so percentage of people using Peurunvan is growing rather than shrinking. I am not entirely convinced there is no sockpuppetry among the group of people you list. I trust that CTanguy and Guénael are separate from one another... but I think timing of posts, logging in, and coordination of edits are suspicious to me for Lip-Chopin and Pennig-Maout, possibly also Robinhood and Chañ Maï.

The users who use Peurunvan is similar: Neal, Fulup, Ch. Rogel, Paotr, Ar c'hentan, Yann Ber Montreer.

You say that so much more people use skolveuriek than peurunvan. Search Google for "emsav", and you will get 545 results. Search for "emzao", you get only 66 pages. --Node ue 19:51, 11 August 2005 (UTC)