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Neither he nor I can see the problem you see. We're trying to make a learning tool, not learning rules, useless here. [[Implijer:Bianchi-Bihan|Bianchi-Bihan]] 9 C'hwe 2011 da 14:15 (UTC)
Neither he nor I can see the problem you see. We're trying to make a learning tool, not learning rules, useless here. [[Implijer:Bianchi-Bihan|Bianchi-Bihan]] 9 C'hwe 2011 da 14:15 (UTC)
:The only problem is that the history of the article gets lost and that's a very important thing. (And since when can someone move categories?)--[[Implijer:Ankou|Ankou]] - [[Kaozeadenn Implijer:Ankou|de en-2 br-0]] 9 C'hwe 2011 da 14:22 (UTC)
:The only problem is that the history of the article gets lost and that's a very important thing. (And since when can someone move categories?)--[[Implijer:Ankou|Ankou]] - [[Kaozeadenn Implijer:Ankou|de en-2 br-0]] 9 C'hwe 2011 da 14:22 (UTC)
::Here, those who write articles make the rules. [[Implijer:Bianchi-Bihan|Bianchi-Bihan]] 9 C'hwe 2011 da 14:29 (UTC)

Stumm eus an 9 C'hwe 2011 da 14:29

Degemer,

I just see you contribution. Thanks a lot. But why not create a template for that ? I will more simple, no ?

A galon, VIGNERON 7 Kzu 2010 da 10:21 (UTC)[respont]

Hello Vigneron,
I've made a template and put it into the articles.--Ankou 7 Kzu 2010 da 18:41 (UTC)[respont]
Demat,
Great, Danke sehr.
I’m maybe wrong but I think that we could use the {{PAGENAME}} instead of a parameter, no ?
Herzlich a galon, VIGNERON 8 Kzu 2010 da 16:39 (UTC)[respont]
That wouldn't work because the name of one file is Skeudenn:Map-Bro-Gernev.png, but the article's name is Kerne.--Ankou - de en-2 br-0 12 Kzu 2010 da 19:25 (UTC)[respont]

Ur blijadur eo gwelout emañ an Ankou oc'h ober war-dro ar wikipedia brezhonek. Bianchi-Bihan 7 Gen 2011 da 16:04 (UTC)[respont]

I'm sorry, but I only know a few words in Breton and can't chat in it.
Ich spreche leider nur ein paar Worte Bretonisch und kann mich nicht darin unterhalten.--Ankou - de en-2 br-0 7 Gen 2011 da 16:07 (UTC)[respont]

Pleased to welcome an Ankou as a fellow contributor : I've already met him in many other places but wasn't expecting working together . Bianchi-Bihan 7 Gen 2011 da 16:29 (UTC)[respont]

:)--Ankou - de en-2 br-0 7 Gen 2011 da 16:32 (UTC)[respont]

Questions

1. Was the first answer a joke? Every version of an article is saved separately on the servers and clutters up the history of the article. Ignoring this function is just ignorant. No wonder you've got more than 70, 000 edits. 2. I don't think that more pictures with the same topic improve an article with such a short text. btw: What does the "Kenlabourer" mean?--Ankou - de en-2 br-0 7 Gen 2011 da 19:06 (UTC)

Answers

1 I may be ignorant of many things and you may object to my edits. You can object to my 130 new articles in december out of 240 in this wikipedia too. 2 You may think what you like about pictures. So we now have two opinions. What about having ten?

  • If you want to take the pictures out of my articles you will need some spare time.

3 Kenlabourer is collaborator, or fellow-contributor. Objecter is eneber. Bianchi-Bihan 7 Gen 2011 da 19:20 (UTC)[respont]

Paleoantropologiezh

Well, I was removing some incorrect interwiki links (even though some of them were actually correct), in order to fix the links with my bot in the next step. You can see the edit I did afterwards with the bot. I had to add a summary to the edit, sorry. Best TXiKi 8 Gen 2011 da 17:10 (UTC)[respont]

Okay, thanks.--Ankou - de en-2 br-0 8 Gen 2011 da 17:16 (UTC)[respont]

Brezel etre Pologn ha Sveden

Bianchi-Bihan, when you're translating an article not at one go you normally should first keep it in the User Namespace and import it into the article when you're finished.--Ankou - de en-2 br-0 11 Gen 2011 da 16:04 (UTC)[respont]

Usually, in this wikipedia, interfering in the way others work is considered bad manners. It is far easier to stop people at work than creating articles. Why dont you go and report to the next police station? Bianchi-Bihan 11 Gen 2011 da 16:15 (UTC--Llydawr 12 Gen 2011 da 17:14 (UTC))[respont]
It is also in every wiki considered bad manners to reject all good advices and not to answer where a discussion was started. But I'm giving up. Do what you want in "your" wiki. Good grief, working so long in Wikipedia, but still a noob.--Ankou - de en-2 br-0 11 Gen 2011 da 16:28 (UTC)[respont]
Can you translate into Breton those words i dont undesrstand: User Namespace , noob. Trugarekaat. Bianchi-Bihan 11 Gen 2011 da 16:40 (UTC)[respont]
I don't know the Breton words for them not only because they are rare internet terms, but also because my knowledge of Breton is quite limited. Namespaces are the different sections of an Wikipedia for example Articles (Pennadoù), Templates (Patromoù), Users (Implijerien) and Project Pages (for example Wikipedia:Kumuniezh/An davarn). Every user can create subpages of his userpage for tests e. g. Implijer:Ankou/test (page doesn't exist). "Noob" is short for "newbie" or "newcomer".--Ankou - de en-2 br-0 11 Gen 2011 da 17:01 (UTC)[respont]
Thanks. I never meet these english words in my translations about swedish queens or wars. Bianchi-Bihan 11 Gen 2011 da 17:56 (UTC)[respont]

Skopje usw.

Danke für deine Beiträge und deine Hilfe mit Wikipedia auf Bretonisch ! --Llydawr 12 Gen 2011 da 17:14 (UTC)[respont]

Objection

Normally I wouldn't move a whole category without discussing it, but:
  • The category contained only one article, and one subcategory (which I moved too) with two articles.
  • The name of the article was Saks-Anhalt and Saks and Saks-Izel are at their Breton names too.
I'm sorry for making these two stupid mistakes and thanks a lot you corrected it (is "eo" really wrong in this case or just an alternative form of "(a) zo"?). If there's another thing to be discussed please tell me.--Ankou - de en-2 br-0 16 Gen 2011 da 12:41 (UTC)[respont]
Like other Breton speaking users I keep correcting mistakes all the time (http://br.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kaozeadenn_Implijer%3AFabriz_Coupechoux&action=historysubmit&diff=879567&oldid=761742 ). I don't think mistakes are stupid, but due to bad learning, or no learning at all. If you're not a Breton speaker you have no means to know the difference. We say : An Necker zo ur stêr but Ur stêr eo an Necker. Bianchi-Bihan 16 Gen 2011 da 13:53 (UTC)[respont]
And: http://br.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Fazio%C3%B9_stanka%C3%B1&action=edit&section=34 . Bianchi-Bihan 16 Gen 2011 da 14:00 (UTC)[respont]

Thank you, I've never seen such a grammar page on other small wikipedias before, but it's quite useful as there are so few nativ speakers on this one.--Ankou - de en-2 br-0 16 Gen 2011 da 14:18 (UTC)[respont]

Leoneg

I had thought of doing it, I would have done it just the same. Bianchi-Bihan 18 Gen 2011 da 17:24 (UTC)[respont]

I think Leoneg (brezhoneg) is totally useless , leoneg is enough. Bianchi-Bihan 19 Gen 2011 da 18:12 (UTC)[respont]
Yeah, maybe you're right, it's only useful when someone is typing "Leoneg" into the searchbar and sees that there are two subjects with that name.--Ankou - de en-2 br-0 19 Gen 2011 da 21:02 (UTC)[respont]

Ya, gourel eo wikipedia: http://br.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaozeal:Wikipedia Bianchi-Bihan 23 Gen 2011 da 23:13 (UTC)[respont]

Mersi.--Ankou - de en-2 br-0 24 Gen 2011 da 11:28 (UTC)[respont]

Your requests

I've answered on my page.
I've seen that you've deleted a sentence on the home page because we are closer to 40 000 pages than to 30 000 pages, but this sentence is an important one I think because it's to show how efficient have been the breton wiki even if our language is a local language. I propose to put it again. A galon --Y-M D (kaozeal) 25 Gen 2011 da 17:39 (UTC)[respont]

Okay, but a bit more decent please, it looked like a importan newsflash, as if the Breton WP just reached 30 000 articles. Maybe not italic and a bit smaller. Apropos Main Page: I think the "Pennad ar miz" should be located at the left of the news section, and not that hidden on the ground, but I'm not well versed with Wiki-tables. A galon.--Ankou - de en-2 br-0 25 Gen 2011 da 17:48 (UTC)[respont]

Those pages are totally useless. Bianchi-Bihan 30 Gen 2011 da 15:45 (UTC)[respont]

The second one is of course. But the first one is a necessary redirect. It's a standard that the full name should redirect to the article.A galon, --Ankou - de en-2 br-0 30 Gen 2011 da 15:49 (UTC)[respont]
Who would think of typing the longest name Cristiano Ronaldo dos Santos Aveiro, which means knwowing this longest name, when the shortest works just the same? You could try with Josif Visarionovitch Djougachvili too, or Caroline Amalie Elisabeth von Braunschweig-Wolfenbüttel . And thousand others. Necessary ? Bianchi-Bihan 30 Gen 2011 da 16:44 (UTC)[respont]
I think it's needed for the sake of completeness and for linking, I would create the first page you mentioned too (Which is a special case, because the original name is written in cyrillic letters and there are several ways of transcription though). But I don't mean with all first names. Ankou - de en-2 br-0 30 Gen 2011 da 16:56 (UTC)[respont]
I'll be asking as usual for deletion of useless redirects. They may be funny games, not very encyclopedical all the same. Bianchi-Bihan 30 Gen 2011 da 17:02 (UTC)[respont]
To make it more clearly, I'd support Cristiano Ronaldo dos Santos Aveiro, but not Elvis Aaron Presley--Ankou - de en-2 br-0 30 Gen 2011 da 17:05 (UTC)[respont]
Sorry to say you're just proving it is not needed, despite your word, by anybody at all. Just as useless as Augusta Friederike Luise von Hannover. Bianchi-Bihan 30 Gen 2011 da 17:17 (UTC)[respont]
It is not needed, because nobody will type it in, is no argument: en:WP:NOBODYREADSIT. What do you think how many are reading all the articles about noble Germans. But this topic isn't that important to me. EOD--Ankou - de en-2 br-0 30 Gen 2011 da 18:07 (UTC)[respont]
You're changing the topic. We were talking about unneeded redirects because one types a short name known instead of a long name unknown. Just logical.
Either this or that article should be in a wikipedia is quite a different subject.
By the way, those "noble Germans " who made history, and Germany, are in the German wikipedia, and articles are in their simplest names. Bianchi-Bihan 30 Gen 2011 da 18:18 (UTC)[respont]
I didn't object the notability of your articles and of course they should be located at their most simple name or their most known name and I enhanced that I don't support redirects from full names with all given names. And as you're arguing with the German WP see Cristiano_Ronaldo_dos_Santos_Aveiro. But as I said EOD. Regards, --Ankou - de en-2 br-0 30 Gen 2011 da 18:23 (UTC)[respont]
I understand neither this redirect nor your EOD. A Chinese word? Bianchi-Bihan 30 Gen 2011 da 18:35 (UTC)[respont]
Sorry, EOD means end of discussion, I don't want to cut you short, but it just isn't that important to me and my last comment speaks for itself.--Ankou - de en-2 br-0 30 Gen 2011 da 18:39 (UTC)[respont]

Right or wrong

Sorry to say: this is doig it the wrong way. http://br.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wynn&action=historysubmit&diff=909480&oldid=787794 Which is typical with unneed ans superfluous redirects. Bianchi-Bihan 8 C'hwe 2011 da 18:38 (UTC)[respont]

No, an article should be at the most simple title. Double redirects don't work at all so they have to be corrected. --Ankou - de en-2 br-0 8 C'hwe 2011 da 18:41 (UTC)[respont]

You have theory, notalways good, I have a little more experience in creating articles. What you did could not work and had to be corrected. Bianchi-Bihan 8 C'hwe 2011 da 18:48 (UTC)[respont]

You don't get it, do you? Ever heard of en:Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Disambiguation links--Ankou - de en-2 br-0 8 C'hwe 2011 da 18:52 (UTC)[respont]

You are in a Breton wikipedia. I dont take lessons out there. Bianchi-Bihan 8 C'hwe 2011 da 18:55 (UTC)[respont]

I kind of expected such an answer, of course you don't, Jimbo Wales gave the Breton WP to you and said "do what you want"--Ankou - de en-2 br-0 8 C'hwe 2011 da 19:17 (UTC)[respont]

Wrong again

and again


Okay let's analyse this:

"You made the problem, I solved it."
No, I didn't produce a problem at all. I moved it to the simpler title, because there was no disambiguation page yet. And you didn't solve the problem by clearing the article, because you should have moved it.
"I have a little more experience in creating articles"
You translate a lot of articles from other WPs, without making a request for copying the article history or even mentioning it on the talk page, I wouldn't call that experience. But that's a bit off-topic.
"this is doig it the wrong way. [...] Which is typical with unneed ans superfluous redirects"
Do you mean the remaining redirect Wynn (lizherenn)? That's no problem, just put the template Patrom:Nullañ or Patrom:Delete on it, I would have done it anyway.
"You are in a Breton wikipedia. I dont take lessons out there."
Guess why I didn't send you a Breton Version of this page! Because it doesn't exist yet, but it will do sooner or later. And this wasn't even a policy, but a fact.
"http://br.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thorn&action=historysubmit&diff=909477&oldid=863999. Try to compare with en:Thorn and en:Thorn (letter), which is how it should be. Regards. Bianchi-Bihan 8 C'hwe 2011 da 20:33 (UTC)"[respont]
Well I'll ignore that now you are trying to give "lessons" on other WPs. You're refering to my proposal to put the letter on Wynn and make a disambiguation link to Wynn (disheñvelout), which wasn't even the more important thing I was arguing about. It has to be decided in every single case if one of the topics is much more relevant than the others. Like if there was an unknown comedian named Albert Einstein, then surely Albert Einstein wouldn't be a disambiguation page and the physician would be located at Albert Einstein (fizik) or something (bad example, because fictional, but still...). If you think that the letter Wynn isn't that more relevant than the other topics then go ahead and make Wynn a disambiguation page, but DON'T CLEAR IT (that's the more important thing I was talking about), but move it. Yes, you have to ask for deletion of Wynn (lizherenn) first.--Ankou - de en-2 br-0 9 C'hwe 2011 da 14:00 (UTC)[respont]

--Ankou - de en-2 br-0 9 C'hwe 2011 da 14:00 (UTC)[respont]

Teaching

Some others need your lessons: http://br.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rummad%3ATud_Stado%C3%B9-Unanet_Amerika&action=historysubmit&diff=909726&oldid=879702 . Regards. Bianchi-Bihan 9 C'hwe 2011 da 14:09 (UTC)[respont]

Since when can someone move categories?--Ankou - de en-2 br-0 9 C'hwe 2011 da 14:10 (UTC)[respont]

Neither he nor I can see the problem you see. We're trying to make a learning tool, not learning rules, useless here. Bianchi-Bihan 9 C'hwe 2011 da 14:15 (UTC)[respont]

The only problem is that the history of the article gets lost and that's a very important thing. (And since when can someone move categories?)--Ankou - de en-2 br-0 9 C'hwe 2011 da 14:22 (UTC)[respont]
Here, those who write articles make the rules. Bianchi-Bihan 9 C'hwe 2011 da 14:29 (UTC)[respont]